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Author Topic: Drag from reference manager to mindmap - name of node
poyan
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Posts: 15
Post Drag from reference manager to mindmap - name of node
on: October 11, 2013, 03:39

Hi,
A. if I drag or copy/cut and paste a node from incoming to my newpaper.mindmap, it comes with Author - Year - Title and is added as a new node, which results in long node titles.
B. If I drag from the reference manager, the cursor shows a link sign (little curved arrow) if hovered over an existing node. This node is coloured at the top or at one side as if the new dragged reference would be added either as a new sibling or new child.
Irritatingly the behaviour is different:
1. there is no new node added, instead the attributes of the existing nodee are overwritten with the new reference metadata - and without any warning.
2. there is no node title, it is just empty.

This behaviour is inconsistent and therefore irritating.

Suggestions:
same functions should work in the same way
a dragging/adding a new reference should always add a new node. If overwriting is really important, an additional key (shift, alt, ...) could be pressed while dragging.
b if a node is created by dragging a reference it should always give a node title, irrespective if it is dragged from another mindmap or from the reference manager.
c the title should be given automatically - as an option and customisable. Maybe even as a selection from a list which might popup if the mousebutton is released on completion of the dragging. As possible entries of the list: Author & Date / Author & Date & Title / Reference ID. Title could be also shortened to a certain number of words or letters; all these data are available in the attributes...

a and b are a necessity imho, c would be a very convenient feature.

Kind regards
Yango

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Stefan-
[Docear]
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Posts: 969
Post Re: Drag from reference manager to mindmap - name of node
on: October 23, 2013, 12:35

Hello poyan,

A. if I drag or copy/cut and paste a node from incoming to my newpaper.mindmap, it comes with Author - Year - Title and is added as a new node, which results in long node titles.
B. If I drag from the reference manager, the cursor shows a link sign (little curved arrow) if hovered over an existing node. This node is coloured at the top or at one side as if the new dragged reference would be added either as a new sibling or new child.
Irritatingly the behaviour is different:

It's different because you do different things.
For A you copy a mind map node to a different location. This should result in the exactly same object. What you can do however is to define different view attributes.
For instance displaying attributes:
Image
or hiding them:
Image

For B you drag & drop a reference or a PDF file to an existing mind map node which will result in that node linking to the reference and/or the PDF file.

I hope this helps. 🙂
If you have any more questions, please let us know or refer to our FAQ or Manual.

Cheers,
Stefan

Stefan Langer
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poyan
Newbie
Posts: 15
Post Re: Drag from reference manager to mindmap - name of node
on: November 11, 2013, 03:23

Hi, Stefan,
yes, I understand that this are different actions - the question is however: should they be different, and for what reason?

My problem: I don't start from scratch - I have > 1300 pdf in my incoming map, plus >1500 references without pdf. Apart from the problem that refs without pdf don't shine up in incoming map, even those which are in there: it is much more convenient to search for a certain ref within the reference manager section with all the filters... No need to open two jabref instances to just be able to drag and draw from incoming to another map...

So, what is the reason to make a difference between a copied node (which is a copy of a node which is linked to a ref and a pdf) and a node which links directly to the reference and the pdf-file? In the end I get the same functionality, right? Why not offering the same functionality (concerning new node instead of overwriting existing one, and concerning title)? I can't see any advantage of the actual functionality... but some really big advantages if you would change it...
This would even allow to make the whole workflow easier - you could forget about the incoming map - it should be possible to mark an entry in the reference manager if there is a new annotation... so you would get the same functionality, but much more understandable. And that is one of the biggest drawbacks of docear...

Stefan-
[Docear]
Administrator
Posts: 969
Post Re: Drag from reference manager to mindmap - name of node
on: November 11, 2013, 16:44

Hello poyan,

So, what is the reason to make a difference between a copied node (which is a copy of a node which is linked to a ref and a pdf) and a node which links directly to the reference and the pdf-file? In the end I get the same functionality, right?

I think I totally misunderstood you in the first place. You can already control the outcome right now:
If you drag & drop the small PDF icon from JabRef's reference table to the mind map, a sub node will be created with the file's name as node text. If you drag any other part to the mind map (i.e. the reference itself) the reference will be directly attached to the target node.

This would even allow to make the whole workflow easier - you could forget about the incoming map

I am not really sure if I really understand you. I disagree with what I think is your opinion, but maybe I am just missing your point:

  • You will end up with a rather long table showing only different icons but no information about any new information one has marked in the PDF files. In the "Incoming" / "Literature & Annotations" map you will directly see what's new. If its a lot of information you can hide annotations you don't want to see by closing all sub nodes of the PDF nodes (nodes with the PDF file name and parents of the nodes containing the specific annotations).
  • The "contains new annotations" icon on the reference entries will remain the same until you have imported the annotations to your mind map. This means you will have to drag & drop the entries to your mind map in a second step anyway. If you do that:
  • the node will contain all annotations of the PDF file instead of only new annotations (i.e. annotations not already organized in your mind map). But it's a basic feature of Docear that the incoming folder only shows annotations you have not already organized. With this approach you can easily track what's really new.

I guess we could additionally mark the references containing unused annotations when we replace the current version of JabRef used in Docear with the new one. However, this is a big task and we won't be able to work on this in the next weeks.

Best regards,
Stefan

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Posts: 19
Post Re: Drag from reference manager to mindmap - name of node
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