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Author Topic: Problems Syncing multiple versions of Docear to the same Google Drive for desktop files
Nick-
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Post Problems Syncing multiple versions of Docear to the same Google Drive for desktop files
on: August 23, 2017, 16:54

I currently have a problem and I need help: I have docear downloaded on multiple computers pointing to the same _data and literature repository files stored on Google Drive. The C/users/"name"/docear files are the same on both computers. The _data files on Google drive are synced via Google Drive for desktop, and I'm careful to ensure everything is synced before I open Docear.

Still, Docear will randomly and unpredictably rewrite my literature & annotations mindmap as a blank mindmap, or at other times, when I refresh this literature & annotations mindmap, it re-imports all of my pdf's that already exist in that same mindmap and leaves the originals in their existing location still linked to the pdf.

I've been saving all of the docear documents in a separate folder so that I can restore Docear and the mindmaps, but I do lose work in this process. I find that I am spending so much time babysitting Docear that I don't think I can do it for much longer.

Because all of the source files that I have access to look the same, I can only fault either the .mm files as the culprit to these issues, or Docear is not liking being installed on two separate computers.

I would greatly appreciate help.

If Docear charged $200/year for their product and then provide support, bug fixes and updates, I am very willing to pay.

Thank you for your feedback. Please note that we - the Docear team - currently do not have the time to answer support questions. However, we encourage all Docear users to help each other.

Nick-
Lehecka
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Post Re: Lack of Docear Support, Problems Syncing multiple versions of Docear to the same cloud-stored files
on: August 23, 2017, 17:27

also, my literature and annotations mindmap is not saving. I've uninstalled Docear and reinstalled it. Last week, I even recreated all of my mindmaps from scratch.

Nick-
Lehecka
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Post Re: Lack of Docear Support, Problems Syncing multiple versions of Docear to the same cloud-stored files
on: August 23, 2017, 17:58

Further, with regard to the literature and annotations mind map not saving, the .mm file will show that it has been saved within the last minute, but if I open that .mm file, or open a separate version of Docear, the mind map is not up to date; it is not what is most up to date in the already opened iteration of Docear. So, I am unable to depend on Docear to save the .mm files, even if the time stamp on the .mm file is after the most recent edits in the mind map.

Nick-
Lehecka
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Post Re: Lack of Docear Support, Problems Syncing multiple versions of Docear to the same cloud-stored files
on: August 23, 2017, 18:38

My current work around is to ensure that the most recent .mm file is saved before closing Docear. This requires opening the .mm file directly with the current Docear program open. If the .mm file I open does not show the most recent edits. I have to keep hitting save on the open Docear program until it saves and keep opening the .mm file hoping it has the most recent edits. This can take up to 15 minutes, from my experience. Then, save the .mm file with the most recent edits in a non-Docear backup folder so that if Docear opens and that most recent .mm file is not being loaded or not showing the most recent edits, I can replace it.

This is too much work, though. Can someone step in to explain what is going wrong?

Joeran-
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Post Re: Problems Syncing multiple versions of Docear to the same Google Drive for desktop files
on: August 24, 2017, 06:31

Hello Nick,

I am sorry for the problems you are experiencing. Unfortunately, I have never experienced such problems myself, and have no idea why the problems you describe occur. As written here http://www.docear.org/support/get-support/ we dont have the resources to look into individual user bugs, and as written in other posts, we have no funding and it is unclear if and how Docear will continue to be developed.

Best regards,
Joeran

Nick-
Lehecka
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Post Re: Problems Syncing multiple versions of Docear to the same Google Drive for desktop files
on: August 24, 2017, 14:08

Thank you Jorean,

I have seen the post saying that the future of Docear is uncertain. Though, there is also a post in the blog as of February this year stating that v1.2 for Docear will be released, so this is a bit confusing.

It also appears that the Paypal feature to contribute on a monthly basis is still working. I do wish you could set up a gofundme-type account where we can contribute and see the total balance of donations alongside the estimated amount needed for each update in Docear to be completed. And, like gofundme, if the threshold isn't met for a particular task, the money is returned to those who donated. As of right now, I personally can not justify donating any money due to it not being clear if that money would go to support Docear or rather one of your new projects, and even if stated that it did go to Docear, $200 won't get much done - this is where a gofundme-type effort would motivate users to contribute: the funding campaign is visibly goal-driven for those who donate.

With your feedback, I do feel responsible for informing those who I turned on to Docear that the product is no longer supported and that's disappointing because your website, as of today, still encourages spreading the word about Docear and your posts in forums pitching Docear to researchers still have a marketing effect.

For myself, I'll just continue to do my tedious .mm file backup process before closing Docear, as that appears to be the only bug I'm experiencing.

Joeran-
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Post Re: Problems Syncing multiple versions of Docear to the same Google Drive for desktop files
on: August 24, 2017, 14:11

With your feedback, I do feel responsible for informing those who I turned on to Docear that the product is no longer supported

feel free to do so. i made a note already on the download page. http://www.docear.org/software/download/

Nick-
Lehecka
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Post Re: Problems Syncing multiple versions of Docear to the same Google Drive for desktop files
on: August 24, 2017, 14:18

In your message on the download page, you state "in the current version". Is there a v1.2 being released in the known future?

And, I hope you can appreciate that the comments about lack of funding may not generate sympathy, but rather frustration, because the issue appears to not be a lack of funding, but a lack of ability to generate funding from a large existing Docear user base.

Nick-
Lehecka
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Post Re: Problems Syncing multiple versions of Docear to the same Google Drive for desktop files
on: August 24, 2017, 14:32

As for my original problem, here is what I think is happening:

I have Docear on two separate computers and they both share the same google drive for desktop file. The User name on both computers is Nick, so all of the paths in the Docear files are the same on both computers.

I think the problem lies in the generation of the .mm files. While the C/User file is Nick on both computers, the Windows user has a different name on the school computer. I created a duplicate C/User file named Nick to ensure the directories were the same.

In the past, when I used multiple computers, the Windows User names were also the same, and I had no issues. I believe the .mm files are including the Windows user name in their file directories. So, I will set up a new Windows user named Nick and I have a feeling that will fix my issue.

Joeran-
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Post Re: Problems Syncing multiple versions of Docear to the same Google Drive for desktop files
on: August 24, 2017, 14:37

Is there a v1.2 being released in the known future?

??? Docear 1.2 Stable has been released in Decembre 2015, and is linked as primary download on the download page http://www.docear.org/software/download/

because the issue appears to not be a lack of funding, but a lack of ability to generate funding from a large existing Docear user base.

if you, or anybody else, feels that he can do better than us in generating funding, you are very welcome to do so. docear is open source, so go ahead, take the source code, offer docear under a new name and show me your ability to generate funding from a large user base (i will send an email to all docear users telling them that they should be using your new version of docear; and place a very prominent link on docear´s homepage). alternatively, if you or anybody else is able to generate funding, i am very open to discussing continuing the current docear development (finding two software developers shouldn't be a problem as long as you can generate funding of let's say €150k per year)

Nick-
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Post Re: Problems Syncing multiple versions of Docear to the same Google Drive for desktop files
on: August 24, 2017, 14:53

Thank you Jorean,

In a February 2017 blog post, you referred to v1.2 as upcoming, which, with the use of the word upcoming, would give the impression that the version is in the future. http://www.docear.org/docear/blog/

As for funding, you have written about the lack of funding. I have suggested a goal oriented solution vs. the current paypal solution where users have no indication of where their funding is going and if it is going to result in Docear updates. You have written in multiple places about the lack of funding being an issue. I opened up discussion regarding a gofundme-type solution that is goal-oriented, to which you have shot back that I can take over Docear and all funding, which comes across rather emotional vs. engaging in the discussion.

It is your software and it is your voice on forums and on the Docear homepage asking people to try the software and to tell others about it, not mine. So yes, I do feel you can do a better job at addressing the funding issue you have continuously informed others about. When you present a problem (funding) repeatedly, you're probably going to be met with responses that include solutions. If you do not want solutions, it would be best to state that the development of Docear is not facing a funding problem, but rather that there has been a loss of interest (at least in terms of Docear fueling funded research) and as insinuated by you suggesting I take over Docear. If the latter is not true, if you and your researchers do still have interest, than please put heightened affect and shots-across-the-bow-type rhetoric aside and engage in the funding related discussion you said you are open to, and investigate a gofundme-type funding option for Docear and/or provide reasons why such a funding strategy is not plausible.

Thank you very much for your software and for your responsiveness.

Joeran-
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Post Re: Problems Syncing multiple versions of Docear to the same Google Drive for desktop files
on: August 24, 2017, 15:32

i don´t know why that blog post has february 2017 as release date, as i am very sure i wrote it before version 1.2 was published (maybe the date was adjusted when i edited the post?). anyway, i adjusted the blog post http://www.docear.org/2017/02/05/docears-online-services-are-down-recommendation-user-registration-backup/

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